A Rubicon has been crossed.

@mrfahrenheit211 · 2025-08-04 05:58 · britain

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I’ve been a supporter of nationalism for many years, I support nationalism not just for Britain but for Israel, the USA, France, Germany and other places. It’s natural that a nation would and should put its own interests and its own people first and foremost when formulating policy and engaging in politics.

Defending a nation’s territory and thereby defending those who live within it is normal, not just for human beings but across the animal kingdom as well. Cats have territories as do foxes and bees and a whole host of other creatures. Animals gain and defend territories so that the and their offspring can survive and thrive. The idea of internationalism and the primacy of internationalism, something promulgated by the Left and by the naive, is of very recent origin and is neither wholly normal nor natural.

Yes, there can and should be cooperation between nations, where it benefits two or more nations’ national interests, but the idea that a nation should subsume its own national interests or subject its people to depredation in the name of internationalism is not a normal or sensible approach. Some internationalist ideas can work but they can only work where the issue concerned is genuinely worldwide, such as the radio spectrum as radio waves, especially the ones from 1 MHz to 50 MHz, cannot be confined to national borders. I have no problem therefore with there being international agreements to manage this part of the radio spectrum, same with space launches. It’s sensible that there is international coordination with regards to manned and unmanned space flight, nobody would want one spaceship crashing into another or crashing into an aircraft. However other concepts that have emerged from internationalism, such as the idea that a country should open its borders to all and sundry because of ‘international law’ is not sensible or desirable. In fact it is and has been proven to be utterly destructive to those nations that have opened their borders to all and sundry.

Of course I agree with the idea that a nation, if it so wishes, should temporarily take in those fleeing oppression but it should be for the individual nations to decide whether or not to do this and to decide what sort of refugees that they take. Sometimes being open can benefit the receiving nation, as was the case with the Kindertransport children that Britain rescued from certain death at the hands of Adolf Hitler, with many of them growing up to contribute to British society. But being too open and allowing in those who are from radically different cultures and who follow incompatible belief systems is not going to be of benefit. Allowing in those who are grateful and who are going to contribute to society is positive, but allowing the entry of those who see Britain and Britons as prey is not.

The reason for this lengthy preamble to this piece is to say that some sorts of nationalism are good, proper and natural but others might not be so good. The same applies to those groups which campaign for nationalism. Just as some sorts of nationalism, that which doesn’t aggressively threaten other countries is in my view a good thing, so it is with nationalist groups, some are positive some are negative.

Although I consider myself a nationalist I don’t support every nationalist group that comes along and even those groups and causes I do support I support as a sort of critical friend. I’ve been quite happy to support the nationalism of Reform, the SDP, Tommy Robinson, the Tory right, Ben Habib’s campaign and the various ad hoc groups campaigning against the imposition of dangerous migrants in our towns and cities. I’m a bit ‘Treebeard’ with a lot of groups, which means that I’m not 100% on any particular group’s side, as many of them might not altogether be on my side.

One group that I’ve not supported, although I have quoted them on occasion on certain articles and have friends who have associated themselves with them, is Britain First. Try as I might I can’t give this entity a lot of support. I don’t like their style of campaigning, I’m uneasy about those who lead it and their policies and I’m wary of this organisation’s alleged links to some of the more challenging Northern Ireland Protestant political groups. However I know that there is nuance in all this sort of thing and not everyone involved in a group, even a group like Britain First is a card carrying jackboot licking neo-Nazi, some might be, but others, well that might not be the case. I’ve even encountered individual members of the genuinely neo-Nazi British National Party (heirs of Oswald Mosley is one way I look at them) many years ago who had a more positive view of LGB people than many traditional leftists had at that time, something that shocked me rigid. This incident also made me consider whether every person in every group I might not want to be associated with is a wrong’un. Sometimes people attach themselves to entities and political currents because they are desperate for political succour and have few other places to turn to.

One thing that has characterised demonstrations by Britain First is that they have not until recently attracted a large number of people, especially when compared to someone like Tommy Robinson who can quite easily attract tens of thousands of people to protests he’s been involved in. I know this as I’ve attended some in order to document them. Britain First have in the past often only really attracted the hard core ethno-nationalist true believers of their cause where as Mr Robinson’s demonstrations have been notable by how broad a cross section of Britons they attract. If you wanted to find a nationalist movement and nationalist demonstrations that both members of the majority population as well as Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, LGB’s were happy to attend then you would have to look towards Mr Robinson’s protests.

But a Rubicon was crossed this last weekend. Britain First managed to get what looked to me like about two thousand Britons out on the streets in Manchester. This wasn’t their usual three men and a dog demo or one of their swanning around like a bunch of Walts in ex Military Land Rovers in Aldgate events, this was big, this was very very well supported. From the video that I saw of Britain First’s Manchester demonstration it looked like there were at least more than a thousand people there if not double that. The whole road was full of demonstrators nearly all of then with Union or England flags. It wasn’t as big as one of Mr Robinson’s demonstrations but it was very big and certainly bigger than I’ve seen Britain First demonstrations before.

Having had much experience of demonstrations whether that be attending them, documenting them or occasionally organising them, I credit myself with some sort of feel for how heavily invested participants in demonstrations are with all the aims and objectives of the organisers. Those who marched against the Iraq War in 2003 in their hundreds of thousands were not, from what I observed there, fully on board with the policies and aims of the Socialist Workers Party and its front groups that played a large part in organising this protest. Because I know what I know about demonstrations I would therefore be very very surprised if the majority of those attending agreed with Britain First’s core politics. I would say that what has motivated people to turn out to attend a demonstration organised by Britain First is not agreement with the policies of Britain First but anger at the policies of the current and previous government regarding migration.

The problems that our political and media classes have piled up in our country like a householder piles up so much firewood and kindling for the winter, have started to impinge on almost everywhere and everyone in the nation. It seems that residents everywhere that have had placed within it a hotel full or HMO’s full of dinghy invaders or other difficult or impossible to integrate third worlders, are suffering. The people who have been forced by His Majesty’s Government to have to live with such people have suffered a legion of terrible hurts. They’ve seen their previously high trust and maybe relatively well functioning local communities decimated. Local people have been ‘enriched’ by theft, anti-social behaviour, intra-invader fights, physical attacks on Britons, religious and political extremism, the creation of an environment where women fear to traverse and of course lots and lots of rapes and sexual assaults, too many carried out by these migrants and unassimilable minorities. It is no wonder that people are angry. Problems that many people might have thought were safely tucked away in shitpit places like London or Birmingham or Manchester, now occur in their own once peaceful and ordered towns and cities. The sort of migrant rapists who many might have erroneously assumed were only to be found in places like London are now found in once relatively OK places like Newcastle. People are rightly angry at what successive governments have done to our nation and are starting to take to the streets to protest about the damage that has been done.

That so many normal ordinary but angry and stressed people are willing to turn out behind the Britain First banner illustrates how bad things have got. Less and less people seem to be willing to be swayed by smears of ‘far right’ from the Government, from the media and from the state’s tame NGO’s such as ‘Hope Not Hate’ when it comes to those who are seemingly standing up for them. The British people have looked for answers to the suffering that has been brought to them by the state in the form of the dinghy invaders and similar. They’ve looked for answers from the Westminster parties and have been fobbed off and let down at every turn. The people have been lied to about levels and types of migration, lied to about the nature and social compatibility of some migrant groups and lied to about migration control. With such a collapse in support and trust in the Westminster parties and the state in general, is it any wonder that thousands of people will turn out in Manchester to protest about migration, the import of tens of thousands of potentially dangerous migrants and the housing of same all too near to them and their families.

Things are changing and changing fast. Trust in the state and in state entities such as the police is collapsing at an astonishing rate and the British people are looking around for someone, anyone who can repair the state and make it work for them and not just those others and strangers who the political elite prioritises. Even fifteen years ago there would for example not have been so many people pointing out two tier policing like they are today nor being able to give evidence to show this bias such as how obviously bent are the kid glove ways that the police deal with pro-Hamas marchers and enviro-loons like Extinction Rebellion when compared to say how the police deal with demonstrations put on by those from the nationalist right or even nationalist centre Left. Ideas that three decades or so ago were once fringe and confined to entities like the British National Party, such as re-emigration of criminal or burdensome migrants and those of migrant heritage who are not contributing, are now approaching the mainstream. The Overton Window is shifting right and shifting fast especially on the issue of migration.

Unless you get all your news from the BBC, in which case you will know sod all about what’s going on in Britain, you can’t escape the anger that’s rising or knowledge of it. Because of the idiotic open borders policies of a string of British governments and a blind adherence to ‘international law’ especially with that pertaining to migration and asylum, that is as mad as a rabid dog, a nightmare has been created in the United Kingdom and worse it’s a nightmare that has been created by Britain’s own political classes.

You should not underestimate what it means for Britain First to have such a relatively large turnout for their Manchester demo. It means that a lot of people who might not in the past have been politically motivated enough to turn out in support of Britain First are now marching with them because of the horrendous number of imported wrong’uns that have been dumped upon them. Anger at the imported wrong’uns and the governments that did the importing is now so high that relative normies are happy to march behind a Britain First banner. I should not have to tell you what a major sea change this represents.

Do I like this sea change, in parts yes in other parts no because I know some British history and I know how bad things could get, but as I said earlier there are nuances here. People are turning to whatever group they think will fight their corner and they are doing that because the entities that they should have and used to be able to assume would do so, have failed in that task. When a government abandons what is the primary duty of a government which is to protect its land and its people then we should not be surprised if people look elsewhere than the government or the Establishment or respectable opinion for answers and hope. Britain is in a mess and the comparatively large turn out for a Britain First led demonstration against Britain’s failed migration, asylum and social policies is clear evidence of just how big a mess we are in.

There is an urgent need for the mess we are in to be cleaned up and cleaned up to the satisfaction of the majority of Britons. I hope and pray that this mess can be cleaned up via the ballot box as things are getting increasingly tense. Today is an especial time for me as a Jew to pray for a peaceful and equitable ballot box solution to Britain’s problems as we’ve just passed the Tisha b’Av festival of mourning when the baseless hatred between two people was said to have kicked off the destruction of ancient Roman ruled Jerusalem. There’s anger out there among the British people and that anger is in my view is somewhat justified, but that anger needs to be channelled, managed and controlled by the British people ourselves, lest we all succumb to the sort of baseless hatred that will destroy and not rebuild and which will assist our enemies and harm us the British people and our friends.

Links

Video link

https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1951662102042607974

Syrian ‘refugees’ convicted of raping a 13 year old girl in Newcastle in England’s North East. Incidentally the criminals featured in this story were once part of a BBC Newsnight article that was heavily biased towards the ‘refugees welcome’ idiocy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855

Some musings about baseless hatred from a Jewish perspective

https://www.alephbeta.org/tisha-bav/tisha-bav-teacher-parent-guide

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